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Has Garth McVicar finally lost the plot?!


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As reported in Fairfax, on 20 January – Garth McVicar, of the so-called “Sensible Sentencing Trust”, seems finally to have  “lost the plot” with this gobsmacking rant at a Parliament Select Committee hearing on marriage equality,


Lobbyist links gay marriage to crime rise in NZ

Full story


McVicar went on to state, in quite unequivocal terms,

Furthermore, the bill represents a further decay and erosion of the traditional family that society has been founded on.”


So if we understand McVicar correctly, there will be a  “decline” in  ” the traditional family ” if marriage equality is allowed to go ahead?

Aside from the sheer nonsensical and unproven nature of such a bizarre belief, it occurs to this blogger that ” the traditional family ” has been under stress for a long time – before marriage equality became an issue these last couple of years.

Take for example the story of 19 year old Robert Moulden.

Reported in the same issue of Fairfax media as the story above, Mr Moulden recently pleaded guilty in  Auckland’s District Court last year, to desecrating and vandalising Jewish graves,


desecrated graves

See: Merciful Jews forgive Nazi grave vandal


Mr Moulden, to his credit, took responsibility for his actions and pleaded guilty. In an act of human compassion and forgiveness, the Auckland Jewish community has rallied to support the young man to undertake further, higher education to turn his life around.

Mr Moulden’s background is all too common from young men and women who have become socially alienated,

His parents split up at an early age, he then goes from pillar to post . . . he goes to different schools, he’s shifted around, he has no stability, no base to call his own.”


Which indicates to me the depth of  Garth McVicar’s ignorance and bigotry.

Dysfunctional families have been with us for decades (centuries, even).  A cursory study of the backgrounds of those dysfunctional families of beaten, sexually abused, and  murdered children will reveal one salient fact; they all had heterosexual parents/guardians/partners.

If  Garth McVicar wants to be critical of the circumstances surrounding declining  ” traditional families “, he’s looking in the wrong place. Perhaps he should first look at three decades of neo-liberal reforms which has resulted in increased poverty; fewer jobs; a widening gap in incomes; and small towns losing their economic base as industries have closed down,




And if he’s got this so horribly wrong – what else is he stuffing up? Could it be that his “Sensible Sentencing Trust” is also built on a swampy mire of mis-information and ignorance?

McVicar has done the cause for marriage equality a great service. He’s demonstrated how shonkey and intellectually corrupt opposition to equality actually is.

Has it ever been different when a group in society struggles for justice? Emancipation for women? The universal right to vote? The Black civil rights movement in the United States? The struggle to end apartheid in South Africa?

So it goes on, to this very day. New struggles for equality – facing the same old bigotted arguments why some should not have equal rights.

Get back to your cave, Garth.



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  1. mickmcc@live.com
    20 January 2013 at 10:34 am

    ” traditional families “ values …like dad goes to work, mum stays home , tends to the children …one income is enough to meet the mortgage payments ,feed and cloth the growing family and still have a holiday away each year …how did we ever go this wrong ?

    • 20 January 2013 at 11:18 am

      Indeed, Mick, not since the late ’60s and early ’70s, when my dad was the sole income earner; mum worked at home raising the family; and we still managed to go for camping trips up north…

      Things went pear-shaped after the first Oil Shock in the early 1970s, and Keynesian economics was attacked and gradually over-taken by Chicago-school free-market ideology.

      The wealth was supposed to trickle down… It hasn’t… It’s evaporated upward.

      The stresses on New Zealand society were incalculable after Rogermnomics kicked in. Not just rising unemployment, but the prison population doubled. It was suppodsedly said by one of the “Riogernomes” that government policies would have to sacrifice an entire generation to enact their “reforms”.

      That one generation seems to have become two.

      And Garth McVicar points the finger at our Gay and Lesbian cuzzies??? The man is living in yesteryear.

  2. Denny Weisz
    20 January 2013 at 11:34 am

    Yeah this clown probably believes in this guy who was strung up on a cross a few thousand years ago and came back to life …. then moved to the US, Utah mountains somewhere ….. go figure!

    • 21 January 2013 at 5:42 pm

      Meanwhile, the victims of crime ands their family are pissed of at McVicatr’s outrageous comments,

      “Meanwhile, John McGrath has criticised comments linking gay marriage to a rise in crime.

      Mr McGrath says he disagrees completely with Sensible Sentencing Trust spokesperson Garth McVicar’s statement in a submission on legalising gay marriage that the move could increase crime, saying he could not understand how people can think like that.”


  3. 20 January 2013 at 3:00 pm

    I’ve known for a very long time that Garth McVicar is an ignorant bigot. About ten or so years ago he did an interview with North & South magazine and virtually all of his comments were rantings about how liberals, homosexuals and other deviant troublemakers were to blame for the decline in society and crime. Sensible Sentencing Trust is just a group of ultra-conservative right wing extremists cynically exloiting victims of crime. And anyone who thinks that Sensible Sentencing Trust cares about victims of crime it’s very telling that Sensible Sentencing Trust abuses and haranges groups like Rape Crisis who deal with victims of crime who don’t support their extreme viewpoints.

    Extreme right wing groups like Sensible Sentencing Trust, Families First and others like them get a free ride by the media who only ever talk to them about crime issues and family values, as if only their viewpoints matter. Thus, New Zealand is becoming more extreme because only the extremists are listened to.

    • Leftie Lenny
      26 January 2013 at 5:59 pm

      I think his credibility and reliability as a “media source” just took a humungous nose dive.

  4. The Urban Maori
    21 January 2013 at 3:15 pm

    Losing the plot would have required him to have it in the first place.

  5. PS
    21 January 2013 at 7:42 pm

    He will NEVER recover from that statement…

  6. Paul C
    21 January 2013 at 7:59 pm

    Best thing that could happen to Mr McVicar from God’s point of view would be for families of gay teenagers who overdosed and hanged themselves because of his type of hate speech, to come forward and tell their side of the story, and let people see how in the end love is really all that matters however the hell we can get it…or give it, who cares who or what we love as long we are loving?

  7. Denny Weisz
    21 January 2013 at 9:07 pm

    I think this dumb arse comment by Mc Cracker gets him automatic membership into the Alzheimer’s club. Current members are; The Donster Brash & Cuppa tea bag Banksey!

    • PS
      22 January 2013 at 5:19 pm

      There’s an opportunity here…Rome is burning….figure of speech, no offense to my gay Italian friends…

  8. Strawberry Paddocks
    22 January 2013 at 4:46 pm

    McVicar is definitely lost the plot. He’s made himself a laughing stock.

  9. 23 January 2013 at 12:35 am

    If McVicar still has any credibility with the public then more fool us. He’s practically waving a big flag with “I’m a numbnuts” printed on it.

  10. Don Weller
    18 April 2013 at 9:31 am

    I want to know how Garth McVicar funds himself (does he work as well as lobby) or does he get paid by the trust ? He seems somewhat obsessive.What the Hell has the gay marriage bill got to do sensible sentencing. Seems to me the organisation is a vehicje for his own bigotry.

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