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It’s official: racists aren’t very bright…

When the Maori Council announced that they would be challenging National’s asset sales programme, it appeared to be the country’s last-gasp attempt to stall privatisation.

National has ignored public opinion; derided public protests; and has stated that it will pay no heed to any referedum on the issue.  After backing down on mining in Conservation land and Parata’s plans to cut teacher numbers and increase class-room sizes, this is one battle that John Key dare not cave on.

A Three-Strikes-On-Policy-Backdowns would probably mean National losing it’s legitamacy as “government”.

Enter, the Maori Council.  Maori are challenging National in a way that Pakeha seem unable to; via the Treaty.

It may be our “last gasp” attempt.

In response, John Key has derided Maori opposition by stating that his Party may choose to ignore any Waitangi Tribunal decision upholding water rights for Maori,

We could choose to ignore what findings they might have – I’m not saying we would, but we could.

See:  Maori plan to fight Key’s ‘ignore it’

One would think that the public would jump for joy with a collective “Hurrah!!”  that we have a decent chance to stop National’s asset sale plans dead in their tracks.

But it seems that for some of our lesser-sentient fellow New Zealanders, any mention of “Maori” or “Treaty” elicits  racist, rabid, hysteria – almost akin to a Pavlovian response.

Even if the Maori Council’s actions ultimately benefits us collectively, it seems that those with a bloody-minded racist ‘bent‘ cannot see past their prejudiced noses, as some comments from a Stuff.co.nz comments-page showed,

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Steve   #2   08:53 am Jul 10 2012

Finally Key has figured out what maori are doing. IWI stands for I Want It.

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Andrew   #5   09:02 am Jul 10 2012

This is complete and utter garbage. It is getting to the point where New Zealanders (both Maori and Pakeha) need to stand up and tell people like the money grabbing group “The Maori Council” that enough is enough. This group don’t represent Maori as a whole but are a small minority of rather wealthy Maori and Pakeha who see this as another chance for them to make easy money.

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Andrew – John Key is planning to sell state assets to those with the wealth to buy shares. These are assets that we – you and I – already own.   So who is the “money grabbing group“?

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Neil.l   #6   09:08 am Jul 10 2012

Basically all this is about it to determine what rights Maori have to water.However if for some reason the Tribunal says that Moari have full right to the water then they must accept full liability & the rights of anyone to claim should there be any flooding or “loss of water” .Maori need to take full responsibility of water not pluck out bits they like.

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No, Neil. This is about National selling our state assets. Remember? I think it’s been in the news lately…?

 

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Me   #7   09:19 am Jul 10 2012

From yesterdays meeting: comment made by Maori party >

“We own the water”

yah right!!! it is the most ridicolous statement made at the meeting yesterday. You go Key – we are right by you with the rejection.

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And pray tell, “Me”, are you also “right behind John Key” in asset sales?

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Paul Inane   #9   09:35 am Jul 10 2012

Will this stoush establish when ownership of the water begins? Will it be when the water hits the riverbed? Will it be as the water falls from the sky? Will it be when water forms in the clouds? Will that mean cloud ownership will also be in contention? Will it be when snow and ice thaws in the hills? Will Maori claim ownership of the tears that fall into the rivers from the people who have had enough of this?

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Jonathan   #11   10:15 am Jul 10 2012

And here we go again.

This is one of the few occasions when, as a person of Maori decent, I can easily say I’m embarrassed.

While I agree that the Waitangi Tribunal has done a lot of good for Maori, this is where it starts going wrong for me. Firstly, certain factions beleive that radio spectrum was owned by Maori (forgive me if I have that slightly wrong), now a similar issue crops up for water.

Oh well, lets just sit back a watch our tax dollars being spent of legal fees fighting this through court.

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Azza   #14   10:29 am Jul 10 2012

If the ownership of the water is transferred; do the expences incurred through the management of the waterways also transferred?

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Azza – Focus on A.S.S.E.T.  S.A.L.E.S.

(And by the way, Maori had no “expences” prior to Pakeha arriving with sheep and cattle crapping and pissing in the rivers.)

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bill   #16   10:48 am Jul 10 2012

Whilst i agree that selling assets isnt the best, this whole issue of maori owning water is ridiculous. cant they come up with a better argument.

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No, Bill, they can’t.

Can you?

Let’s look at a few more of these rabid racists and their rants,

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Bruce   #17   10:53 am Jul 10 2012

Where does the water come from that fills the rivers and lakes? It comes from the sky, so why don’t the maoris claim the sky that the rain falls from? This issue of who owns what has become little more than a farce spurred on by greedy people who think they are owed everything life has to offer without working for it!

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Bruce – focus, mate, focus. Asset sales. AS-SET-SALES.  Stop sniffing those paint fumes and remember what National is planning to do…

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Lienback   #18   10:54 am Jul 10 2012

“It’s a long time since we’ve had a prime minister who says ‘I don’t care what the Waitangi Tribunal says’.”” Actually it’s about time someone stepped up and said that some of the claims (especially around spurious claims of ownership of air, water, airwaves etc) were a nonsense. Well done Mr Key – you have just added another vote for National.

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See:  Harawira criticises Key over Maori water claim

Now, either Lienbeck is a closet National voter anyway (quite likely), or his/her memory-loss is now approaching that of John Banks. Lienbeck seems to have totally forgotten what this issue is all about.

But then again, I suspect most of these racists are pro-asset sales anyway, and trhe Maori Council’s actions have merely given them a focus to (a) vent their racist-wrath at Maori, (b) trivialise the asset sales issue, and (c) snuggle up closer to John Key.

Like this idiot,

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Me   #19   11:06 am Jul 10 2012

“We own the water” – says Maori party….. hahahahaha literally rolling on the floor lol – i just could not stop laughing. You show them right Key. We back you up on this.

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KC   #20   11:26 am Jul 10 2012

I remember National saying no Maori seats on the Auckland City Council. As we now know that was a smoke screen.

Then along came the Auckland Maori Statutory Board appointed by the maori affairs minister from Wellington.

National will buckle to Maori, nothing surer, and the taxpayer will carry the can as usual.

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“…and the taxpayer will carry the can as usual” – and KC makes no reference to how much taxpayers will lose from the asset sales. Have these people have totally lost the plot?

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Patrick Woodbourne   #21   11:32 am Jul 10 2012

I think this is disgusting that the Maori want claims on water. The water belongs to everyone and this is just another money making deal. They always say that we are one and should treat everyone with respect. They have no idea what is one nation and this is just greed. John Key should not give into this and remember we are a New Zealand nation, not split.

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Patrick – Asset sales? Huh? What?

Alright, go back to sleep.

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Brian Marshall   #23   11:50 am Jul 10 2012

The treaty of Waitangi doesn’t say anything about water rights. This is just another sick grab at the public purse that would never stand up in the regular courts. Water is a common good and John Key should do one better and disband the Waitangi Commissioners.

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So can I steal your land, Brian?

As for “water being a common good”, try telling that to the new owners of hydro-power stations. They’ll be showing you the door, with a size 9 bootprint on your backside, faster than you can say “But water is a common gooddddd…”

And this bit of sheer lunacy,

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Gino   #24   12:02 pm Jul 10 2012

So when Maori turned up in NZ from whereever it was they invented Water and Air so therefore they own it…is that right?. I am sick of Maori putting their hand out every time they smell free money and yet when it comes to the reality of Maori in NZ, being at the bottom of all the wrong statistics they have nothing to say and no money to fix it yet again putting the blame on the Govt of the day and putting their hands out for more money to solve problems that apparently their “Mana” can’t fix.

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Funny thing, Gino. You didn’t invent land, did you? So that means you don’t own the land your house sits on? Right?

There’s more – much more – but I think the reader get’s the ‘flavour‘ of what the Rabid Racist Right and the Intellectually Challenged  are up to.

The only thing missing is the sight of these rednecks frothing at the mouth as they post their virulent words on-line.

It’s always stomach turning whenever I happen to tune in to talkback radio. Racism, prejudice, and lack of rational thought abounds on the airwaves.

But to then read it on a (supposedly) reputable newspaper’s website, is disheartening. Prejudice and ignorance seems to abound, irrespective of the media.

And in the meantime, National continues it’s agenda to sell what we own; against public opinion; and to the detriment of our economy.

But evidently that’s unimportant to racists.

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  1. 10 July 2012 at 5:22 pm

    Kiaora.

    I attended the opening hearing which any member of the public can attend at Waiwhetu Marae.

    I am only going to make one comment.

    Its incredulous how a person can be quoted out of context “We own the water”

    The mauri (life force) of a Maori in fact all of mankind is in the sacred taonga,,, wai (water)

    Many are baptised or christened in wai. Many people find the healing benefits of bathing in thermal wai and so on.

    We all own the water and we all need to take care of our environment as water is the precious sustenance that we all need to live – Without it, we die.

  2. 10 July 2012 at 5:33 pm

    Kiaora to that Siena!

  3. Possum
    10 July 2012 at 6:40 pm

    and ur surprised? even maori where slagging maori this morning on tlkbck

  4. Craig Coffey
    10 July 2012 at 9:18 pm

    Great,..our last chance to stop asset sales and all those rednecks miss the point,…they deserve to lose everything

  5. Possum
    10 July 2012 at 9:38 pm

    only need 2 turn 1 and l bet it wont be banks as he’s national on the inside anyway. pressure on ppl cus its 4 all ppl not jst the few. national jst have no idea and instead of the racist’s from both sides come out, its the country of nz we need 2 protect from the greedy.

  6. Glenn C
    10 July 2012 at 10:00 pm

    1)Asset sales
    2)It is my understanding that the treaty does give them possession of waterways – perhaps the most valuable asset of them all in the big picture…

  7. 10 July 2012 at 10:13 pm

    Maybe it’s the only way to keep our assets and resources from being flogged off to the 1% every time National comes to power…

    More and more, I think the Treaty will be proven to be a blessing to both Pakeha and Maori…

  8. Glenn C
    10 July 2012 at 10:21 pm

    Waterways is a little imprecise, in the 2nd article of the treaty the Queen guaranteed to Māori the undisturbed possession of their properties, including their lands, forests, and fisheries, for as long as they wished to retain them. This text emphasises property and ownership rights.

  9. Duncan L
    10 July 2012 at 11:18 pm

    Turn out on Saturday – Aotearoa’s Not For Sale Day of Action, 14th July

  10. mary
    11 July 2012 at 9:10 am

    The Waitangi tribunal have not done alot for Maori. They have done a lot for a few select Maori.at the top. They have made millions, do you see this filtering down to help South Auckland and other similar places. I don’t think so. If The general population of Maori want to have claims, go to their own people and demand a peice of the profit they have already got and has been unfairly spread. This whole scenario is getting out of control. The country is in a downward slide. John Key has only said what 98% of Nz is saying. Enough is enough. This greedy greedy grabbing has got to stop, other wise we will end up just another pathetic little run down, backward island in the Pacific. No Mining, Maori’s claiming everything, more handouts and not having to work for it. No wonder everyone is leaving. We need a Government to stand up and say enough is enough. I heard a comment, while waiting for a bus the other day. A group of people were talking about John Key. One person said I am going to vote for the Green party. They don’t force you to go to work, then I don’t have to get a job. These were young adults no more than 18years old. What does that tell you.

    • 11 July 2012 at 10:32 am

      Mary, have you though about this issue and WHY Maori have laid a claim with the Waitangi Tribunal?

      Aside from your rather obvious feelings about Maori and Treaty-related claims, what do you think is the reason behind the Maori Council’s actions?

      To put it bluntly; what are your views on state asset sales?

      • mary
        11 July 2012 at 12:14 pm

        I do not agree with asset selling. I am also part Maori and am fully aware of the Treaty, parts of which are interpretated differently, as to whoever is reading it. I also have a few relatives who sit at home watching cartoons, moaning about how hard done by they are and how they are owed, as it is their right, Instead of getting out and presenting themselves in a positive light, to take advatntage of opportunuites that are available to us all. I just want to live in this beautiful country, where ALL have equal benefits and opportunities and I am sure most think like this. Greed is definately man’s greatest sin. We are visitors to this land. Moriori first, Maori second, me third.

  11. Caroline G
    11 July 2012 at 9:22 am

    those rednecks may also be supporters of asset sales. I met a few when I was out collecting petition signatures

    • Craig Coffey
      11 July 2012 at 9:40 am

      I honestly feel sorry for you Caroline,..having to even be in the presence of such a throw back to a bygone era.,,,they wouldn’t accept change even if it were necessary for their own survival,..I’ve tried to debate with people like that and it’s like banging your head on a brick wall,..

  12. DW
    11 July 2012 at 10:08 am

    If this helps delay or stops asset sales then so be it! Maori have given pakeha use of the land & water resources before (the Treaty between Pakeha & Maori) so this protest action(s) should be seen for what it is; Preservation for our future use, again!

  13. DW
    11 July 2012 at 10:10 am

    Giddy up Racists who can’t see the woods through the tree’s! – If this helps (the Maori Council) delay or stops asset sales then so be it! Maori have given pakeha use of the land & water resources before (the Treaty between Pakeha & Maori) so this protest action(s) should be seen for what it is; Preservation for our future use, again!

    • 11 July 2012 at 10:40 am

      Indeed, DW.

      It would be ironic if the Treaty of Waitangi would be the only instrument by which we can stop National from flogging of our state assets.

      The Maori Council should be supported in their actions – nothing else seems to have worked thus far

  14. Philip R
    11 July 2012 at 11:59 am

    such a harsh statement, if not for the Maori claiming as they do! key & those whom have sold what is ours & not theirs to do so, is in reality the only way to stall, if not stop!very few under the age of 50 realize or remember what labor did with our asets in 84! they split make SOE’s so what was our profits for our people is in put in2 the hands of a few ! that is the betrayal of our ruling parties

  15. 11 July 2012 at 12:20 pm

    mary :

    I do not agree with asset selling. I am also part Maori and am fully aware of the Treaty, parts of which are interpretated differently, as to whoever is reading it. I also have a few relatives who sit at home watching cartoons, moaning about how hard done by they are and how they are owed, as it is their right, Instead of getting out and presenting themselves in a positive light, to take advatntage of opportunuites that are available to us all. I just want to live in this beautiful country, where ALL have equal benefits and opportunities and I am sure most think like this. Greed is definately man’s greatest sin. We are visitors to this land. Moriori first, Maori second, me third.

    You disagree with asset sales?

    Good.

    Now think a bit further; what success have opponants to asset sales had thus far?

  16. 11 July 2012 at 2:23 pm

    Yep, the substance of this will get skewed into deplorable territory that has been all too well exploited and sure to divert people away from the underlying issues that go beyond just considering what we’re doing with these assets – and this will be ramped up to excessive noise over the coming weeks, arg!!! 😦

    • 12 July 2012 at 11:13 am

      Alan, I wonder if National’s internal polling has indicated that this may be a vote-winner for them amongst low-information voters, with a racist bent?

      It might explain why Key has ripped into the Waitangi Tribunal process. He could be seen to be “standing up to the Maori”, amongst our redneck community. It’s not the first time a right wing politician has played that damnable race-card.

  17. Mike Pyefinch
    12 July 2012 at 10:43 am

    You sum it up well Frank when you call the response Pavlovian. Sadly the Treaty has engendered such a redneck response in NZers across all social demographics, and it is those who drool and bark loudest that get heard.

    Our societal problem is that reasonable, intelligent, informed people aren’t loud enough – or perhaps, angry enough

  18. 12 July 2012 at 2:35 pm

    Great page Frank (like your blog and other writing), good to see there IS intelligent life in the universe and it’s starting to come together and awaken 😉

  19. Mike Pyefinch
    12 July 2012 at 4:00 pm

    The rabid red-necks are responding to a dog whistle blown by the media This is exactly the response JK was looking for as its got the opponents of the asset sales arguing amongst themselves over a side issue – divide and conquer

  20. murray
    12 July 2012 at 4:07 pm

    Maybe there is another last ditch hope. If 60-70% or so of us don’t want these assets sold, then it’s reasonable to assume that 60-70% or so of Mercury Energy customers don’t want them sold either. I am one of those customers. Mercury is Mighty Rivers main electricity retail arm, representing 90% of their sales. If 65% of their customers switched providers in the lead up to the sale, the investment might not look so attractive. Besides, a quick check shows, that for me at least, there are cheaper providers out there. I will be switching, and telling them why.

    • 12 July 2012 at 4:15 pm

      I think that’s another brilliant idea and good strategy, Murray.

      It strikes me that the anti-sales movement must be multi-pronged, using a myriad of strategies. No one way will work by itself. But take a whole lot of different approaches, and National will find itself under pressure from different fronts.

      We’re not with Mercury, but if we were, we’d be following suit double-quick. More power to your arm, Murray!

  21. Holly M
    14 July 2012 at 11:36 pm

    this is an interesting piece. thanks frank. ;}

  22. Theodore
    15 July 2012 at 12:00 am

    So remind me again, Frank, why we can’t just shoot those racist morons? Our gene pool is about due for a bit of a clean-out.

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