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Police: behind the 8-ball…

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The point has been made that when Ninja Police mounted their raids in October 2007, they raided multiple homes in Ruatoki; locked down the entire village; set up road blocks; masked, armed police everywhere; and searched vehicles, buses, etc. Whole families were detained for over NINE hours in a garage.

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Contrast that to the raid in Aro Valley, Wellington, where police raided a single house as part of “Operation 8”. Only the one house was raided. Aro Valley was not locked down. Other houses nearby were not raided. Aro Street was not sealed off with armed police dressed in “Mad Max” style battle fatigues..

[Note: there are no images available of the police-terror raids in Aro Valley, via Google. This blogger has used several search parameters.]

Could it be that the stark difference was because Ruatoki was a Maori village – and Aro Valley was predominantly white, middle class, gentiles?

Yeah, what do you think? Racist much?

“Operation 8” may be a relevant name for this over-reacted; testosterone-fueled terror raids by the Police. They were certainly behind the eight-ball on this fiasco.

It’s time that the horrendous, quasi-fascist “Terrorism Suppression Act” was repealed from our law books and consigned to the rubbish bin of history. It has no place in a civilised society. Politicians might think twice before enacting such dangerous laws.

And an apology to Tuhoe might not be a bad idea either. God knows they deserve it.

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Additional

NZ Herald: A nation divided – Inside the Urewera Four trial

Paul Holmes: Action against Tuhoe typical of NZ governments

Paul Little:  All those guns and only wound is to police pride

Chris Trotter: Failing The Crown

Brian Edwards: The Urewera Six – the new face of terrorism

Tumeke:  True cost of Urewera case closer to $14 million

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  1. Anon
    25 March 2012 at 2:13 pm

    Don’t be quite so naive Frank. They were playing with a serious arsenal.

    Yoda parading around in a dapper suit reassuring us he was only pure in intent, doesn’t cut it. What does he say when he isn’t talking to pakeha and he’s behind closed doors? I bet it’s not the same as what he says in front of a camera. 2 green faced, comes to mind.

    They had big guns Frank. What were they planning to use them for?

    • 25 March 2012 at 3:29 pm

      Anon – I’m not quite sure what you mean by “big guns” or “serious arsenal” – their firearms are commonly available.

      “What does he say when he isn’t talking to pakeha and he’s behind closed doors?”

      Dunno. What does anyone – including you or me – say behind closed doors?

      “What were they planning to use them for?”

      How do you know they were planning to use them for anything? The police couldn’t provide any tangible plan or agenda. Anything else is guesswork, rumour, and supposition.

      I’d say they were probably not much different to other “toy soldiers” who dress up and go into the hills to play wargames. If they had any other intention, the police never found it.

      And as I referred above, it appears that the village of Ruatoki was treated much differently to that of Aro Valley. Any idea why that might have been?

  2. Anon
    25 March 2012 at 6:44 pm

    Frank,
    Have you never been on the receiving end of full-on vile racist abuse from a Maori with a huge chip on their shoulder? It is a bit of an eye-opener when they’re all staunch and bitter. I think any possible sympathy with those playing soldiers is now impossible.

    It’s a bit like a leftie going all pro-Palestinean. Yeah on one level they have a right to self-determination, but as the events in Toulouse this week show, it’s hugely naive to think they’re not going to be violent thugs given the opportunity. So I may be a dyed in the wool old leftie, but I’m not going to sympathise with violent thugs. Remember those on the left who stood up for Saddam Hussein? That was naive and embarassing. I’m never going to trust or sympathise with a muslim fundie. And I’m never going to sympathise with Maoris playing with guns.

    Yeah I think NZ could be grown up enough to have a Maori flag as an official flag of NZ (like Australia has done with the Torres Strait Islander and Aboriginal flags). Yeah I hope that Maori achievement goes up, and smoking rates go down. But if some fucker is running around kidnapping and shooting innocents then I want them to go to gaol for a long, long time. And what exactly was their plan? As I said, don’t be so naive.

  3. Theodore
    25 March 2012 at 6:58 pm

    Anon, that’s bullshit. No one on the left supported Saddam Hussein. You’re making up a narrative that simply isn’t supported by facts. That makes the rest of your comments suspect as well. In other words you’re making up shit to justify your pro-Police stance.

    I notice you’re not actually addressing the points Frank raised, and you’re making up straw-man arguments to deflect away from what he’s written.

  4. 25 March 2012 at 7:10 pm

    “Remember those on the left who stood up for Saddam Hussein? “

    Can’t say I do.

    But I do remember a whole lot of people who rejected the US plans to invade Iraq on spurious grounds – grounds that history confirmed as spurious. Securing oil fields is not a good reason to go to war.

    “But if some fucker is running around kidnapping and shooting innocents then I want them to go to gaol for a long, long time.”

    It’s hard to know what you’re referring to, Anon. No one was kidnapped or shot. And I’m not aware of any plans to shoot or kidnap anyone. I think you’re making inferences that were not borne our during the trial.

    “Have you never been on the receiving end of full-on vile racist abuse from a Maori with a huge chip on their shoulder? It is a bit of an eye-opener when they’re all staunch and bitter. “

    Considering the nature of the raids, with 300 police smashing down doors and terrorising innocent families, including children – can you wonder at why they might be bitter? I dare say you’d be hacked off to, in the same situation.

    And as I said – and which you conveniently ignore – Ruatoki was treated completely differently to Aro Valley, in Wellington. The entire village was locked down; armed, masked, police stationed everywhere; roads closed.

    Contrast that to Aro Valley where ONE HOUSE was raided. No road closures. No other houses raided. No families kept sequestered in a garage for nine and a half hours…

    And all for what – half a dozen random firearms charges?! Hell, they don’t fly, as our American cuzzies put it.

    In case you haven’t watched Q+A today, even the Solicitor General refused to lay charges under the Terrorism Suppression Act. http://tvnz.co.nz/q-and-a-news/sunday-march-25-4795627 And the jury couldn’t even find in relation to belonging to a criminal group!

    It’s a shame you’re so wound up in whatever paranoia you have against Maori. It blinds you to a gross abuse of State power, bordering on fascism.

  5. Anon
    25 March 2012 at 9:14 pm

    Not at all paranoid about Maori. 99% of them I think are great.

    But what has the Aro Valley got to do with the other raid? Nothing, absolutely nothing.

    I still don’t know why they were playing soldiers. There’s more to the story, and you trust them explicitly. I don’t trust anyone playing with guns.

    Look up George Galloway for your short memory Lefty Saddam Hussein Lover. He’s now busy being a Press TV personality. Now a pro-Iranian lefty fully embracing the mad mullahs. Strange bedfellows indeed.

    [“Anon”, if you wish to continue posting here, you’re welcome. I do not require your name – but a valid email address is a sign of good faith.]

  6. 25 March 2012 at 11:29 pm

    “Not at all paranoid about Maori. 99% of them I think are great. “

    As long as they are good little “brown boys who don’t rock the boat”?

    I’m reminded of the phrase, “Some of my best friends are gay/brown/etc”…

    “But what has the Aro Valley got to do with the other raid? Nothing, absolutely nothing. “

    A house in Aro Valley was raided on the same day at Ruatoki, as part of the planned “terror raids”. Unlike Ruatoki, though, Aro Valley was not in “lock down”; roads were not closed by armed police; and other houses in the immediate vicinity were not raided and occupants detained for nine-plus hours.

    “Look up George Galloway for your short memory Lefty Saddam Hussein Lover. He’s now busy being a Press TV personality. Now a pro-Iranian lefty fully embracing the mad mullahs.”

    So what? Do you truly believe that all left wingers believe the same thing? Perhaps you believe that National Party MPs believe the same thing? Hardly. Sorry, but trying to paint ALL left-wingers in a certain way because of one or more individuals is not very convincing.

    You may find, “Anon”, that as more of this story comes out, it will become apparent that we’ve wasted $16 million for no discernible gain, and the whole matter could have been settled by local police liaison knocking on a few doors (not bashing them in!).

    It occurs to me that some people watch too much US television crime shows. This is not America. But if we want to go down that road…

  7. Anonymouse
    26 March 2012 at 7:26 am

    “But what has the Aro Valley got to do with the other raid? Nothing, absolutely nothing. ”

    A lot more than you care to admit. Not too many brown faces in white middle class Aro Valley I would think, eh?

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